A little clarification… [regular readers may skip!]
Since comments about my recall blog post on chat lists have descended to criticism by insinuation, here are a few clarifications.
Annie
What Annie has to do with anything is beyond me. Annie was Hugh’s bird, not “ours”, and he did the training with her, not me. We never trained each others’ birds for freeflying. Ever. We felt it was best when flying where it was very crowded if they were totally focused on one person. We also had different training styles, and disagreed on some things, including some aspects of Annie’s training.
If anyone really cares about what happened to her, why has no one ever asked any of the people directly involved? What I can say is that she was returned to Wendy Craig not because of problems flying, but because with 5 large birds in a 1-BR apt, her presence was very disruptive. She was aggressive to Gizmo and Carly, and Otis was plucking her head bare. She loves Wendy more than anyone else in the world, and the three of us struggled discussing that decision for a long time. I think she is where she is happiest, and that was really the bottom line. In the end it was Hugh’s decision, and I think he made the right one under the circumstances.
Personally, it makes no difference to me if my birds learn to free fly or not. I take it on their own terms, and help them learn as much as they can. I just want the best life for them, and want them to be able to enjoy being outdoors. Unlike Carly and Otis, who are avid flyers, from what I observed Annie was actually the most animated and relaxed when at home eating and chatting. The bird’s welfare is the most important factor, not the freeflyer’s desire for sport. That is why I say, “train the bird you have.” Not necessarily for freeflight, unless you and the bird are both well prepared for it, but for exercise and enjoyment in general, whether it’s at home, in an aviary, or on an outing in a harness.
The obsession with free-flying I think misses the main point of why most parrot owners want to look into allowing flight: to enrich their birds’ lives. Companion parrot owners don’t dismiss birds to live on the back lot because they don’t live up to their sporting expectations.
Comments
Blog comments are were* indeed moderated. Anyone who has ever had a blog knows how many dozen spam comments sometimes come in daily, advertising everything from viagra to porn sites. Moderating is the only way to prevent everything from going directly onto my site. Most blog sites are moderated specifically for this reason. I will look into improved spam-filtering products.
ALL comments submitted to my blog that are not spam or sales pitches are posted and/or replied to unless the author is actively promoting a dangerous or fraudulent product. In some cases the comments become a new blog post of their own. Some chat list comments on my blog and the silliness over “peer review” are so laughable I have quoted them on my blog myself.
What I do not welcome, and why I do not participate in the FF list, is the endless, circular, rehashed arguments month after month, and year after year, and the very low remarks made even by the moderator to very reasonable, seasoned trainers like Chris Shank (he levels the accusation that killing birds is one of her training alternatives if they don’t “cooperate.”) I submit many of my ideas and posts to professional trainers for review, but I am selective about whose advice I seek. It is a waste of my time to solicit comments from fringe trainers whose ideas almost the entire professional training community rejects. That’s also why I don’t solicit input from Joe Krathwohl. Professionally that’s why I don’t put ads up on Craigslist to get advice on interpreting ocean currents.
As for peer review, any scientist knows that a conference presentation is not peer reviewed. The conference organizers look at ideas on abstracts and decide if it looks interesting enough to warrant including. IAATE does not endorse presenters or presentation material at their conferences, the same as any scientific conference, and they state that on their web site.
I rarely comment on anything from chat lists, but because my blog feed is linked on a site of someone who was following “recall optional” advice and coming very close to losing a bird, I made an exception.
We will now resume our normally broadcast blogging.
*UPDATE: Moderation has been turned off, spam filters on, we’ll see how it goes.


August 3rd, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Thanks for posting that about Annie. Maybe *someday* Chris will learn to refrain from talking about things of which he knows NOTHING about.
And pigs will fly out of my ass……
Dana
August 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Ladies & Gents, we have a winner! The first unmoderated comment to hit my blog. I’m sure everyone is much happier now
You’re welcome. Hate to see Annie’s name maligned.
August 4th, 2009 at 4:35 am
“The bird’s welfare is the most important factor, not the freeflyer’s desire for sport.” This really is the driving statement and why anyone who feels (rightly or not) that they are qualified to give guidance on free flight must be responsible and take responsibility, for the advice they give.
August 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am
There is no formal peer review for people like Chris. Silence or even polite encouragement following a presentation isn’t peer approval. It’s just being nice. We have no peer reviewed journal for avian training. I would look for leaders in avian training to write about him and his methods. If we see Susan Friedman, Barbara H., Steve Martin, Karen Pryor, or Sid referencing a person in a positive way, we can assume some sort of “peer approval”. I assume those of you who still suffer the FF list will hear about it in caps, if it ever happens.
How about a new list to deal effectively with free flight issues?
August 4th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
One last time, with only 3 years and one bird experience, you do not have a method of your own to be teaching others with. You plagiarizing of the method you submitted for Good Bird Magazine is obvious and can be proven. Your libel in using my name, misrepresenting that my birds train and fly any differently than anyone else’s, is cause for a lawsuit, which is a most certain outcome for your unethical behavior.
August 5th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Jim, what on earth makes you think that another list to deal with free flight issues would be any different? It would degrade into arguments, insults and criticism just like all the rest have.
I don’t understand why the bird training community is so divided like it is. Everyone training free flight are doing almost all the same thing whether they admit it or not.
When you go to dog training lists (at least all the ones I’m on), you just don’t see the same childish bickering that you see on bird training lists (well Barbara’s list is the only one that hasn’t degraded). The dog training community just doesn’t seem to be so divided like the bird training community is. I don’t get it but it is a shame.
August 6th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Curtis, you’re comment that the FF list devolves into arguments, etc., is certainly correct. I think training for FF is highly unique and asks for more skill and commitment from the average companion parrot trainer than what would be required from your average companion dog owner. There is so, so much more at stake, one of the most being the parrot’s life. So I think, rightly or wrongly, emotions tend to run higher on the FF list.
As to all of us training the same way (more or less) is inaccurate, IMO. Yes, we may all be using +R, but there are nuances that are not shared by all of us and those nuances are what result in successful or unsuccessful training outcomes.